John Turner
(Cir 1841-Between 1881/1899)


Family Links

1. Ellen

John Turner 1 2 3

  • Born: Cir 1841, Ireland 1
  • Marriage (1): Ellen
  • Died: Between 1881 and 1899 1 2 3

bullet  General Notes:

Dwelling:15 Lomas St
Census Place:Nottingham St Mary, Nottingham, England
Source:FHL Film 1341801 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3354 Folio 10 Page 13
John TURNERM40 MIreland
Occ:Engine Fitter
Ellen TURNERM39 FIreland
Ellen TURNERU19 FBirmingham
Occ:Lace Finisher
Kate TURNERU14 F (B S), America
Occ:Lace Finisher
Jane TURNERU9 FBirmingham

suspect that this is the family can't find any others and I know Jane (Janet) ended up in Nottingham where she met and married Charles Robert Nidd and that she had a sister Helen (Ellen/Helen are often interchangeable)
According to daughter Helen's marriage cert
John Turner was a "Civil Engineer' and not indicated as deceased (1899)
but a check of all the certified engineer index shows no sign of him. I suspect 'railway engineer' more likely
Plus although he is not indicated as deceased on the marriage cert. He is indicated as deceased on the forthcoming announcement of marriage which appeared in the paper in March 1899

bullet  Research Notes:

Death as per marriage cert of Janet - prior to 1895 - free bmd is not yet inclusive - as of may 31 2003 - too many across the country , too many gaps - to find a suitable one in nottingham. Need to look at gros if i have the time - etobicoke or other

fiches' i've looked at
fiche #1 - x - 3
2706 1 - x
2703 16,17,18
2694 8
2704 24 nothing

This is a possible despite the wife indicated as Mary. (Mary Ellen???)
JOhn and spouse lodging in Nottingham
this is a possibility - they could have come over from Ireland, then briefly went to USA, then back


bullet  Events

• Lodged: Red Lion Street, 1861, Nottingham, Nottingham, England. 4 Not sure why I think this is my John Turner, the wife is listed below as "Mary"

• Lived at: 15 Lomas Street, 1881, Nottingham, Nottingham, England. 1

• Occupation: engine fitter, 1881, Nottingham, Nottingham, England. 1 3


John married Ellen. (Ellen was born circa 1842 in Ireland 1 and died after 1891 1.)

bullet  Marriage Notes:

poss marriage

Registration District: Help Basford
County: Nottinghamshire
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 7B
Page No: Help 157
MarriageFinder™: John Turner married one of the following people Help

ARGYLE, Ellenview record

ELSTON, Maryview record

that's a possiblie, so is this

Name: John Turner
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1841
Age: 28
Father's Name: James Turner
Spouse's Name: Ellen Janet Pratt
Spouse's Age: 28
Spouse's Father's Name: William Pratt
Marriage Date: 9 Sep 1869
Marriage Place: Brighton, Sussex, England

whaat about htis one
First name(s) JOHN
Last name TURNER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1857
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOHN TURNER married one of these people
Ellen Gretton, Ellen Gretten
District Meriden
District number -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Volume as transcribed 6D
Page number 401
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from United Kingdom, England

First name(s) John
Last name Turner
Name note -
Age 56
Marriage year 1861
Marriage date 22 Jul 1861
Marriage place Manchester
Spouse's first name(s) Ellen
Spouse's last name Worrall
Spouse's age 46
Spouse's birth year 1815
Spouse's birth date 1815
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, United Kingdom



1 1881 census of England, Nottinghamshire, St. Mary, Nottingham, folio 19, page 13, John and Ellen Turner; digital images, Ancestry, Ancestry ( : accessed 2004); citing PRO RG 11/3354. Cit. Date: 23 Jan 2009. Surety: 2.

2 England and Wales, marriage certificate for William Clarkson Wallis and Helen Stanhope Turner, married 26th Day of 4th Month; citing 2c/889/44, June quarter 1899, Reading registration district, Reading sub-district; General Register Office, Southport. Cit. Date: 29 Jan 2009. Cit. ID: MXE 150978, Surety: 4; 1899
at Reading
district of Reading
26th Day of 4th Month 1899
William Clarkson Wallis Helen Stanhope Turner
46 35
Bachelor Spinster
Wholesale Provision Merchant
Brighton Reading
Marriage Wallis John Turner
Wholesale Provision Merchant Civil Engineer
Friends Meeting House usages of the Society of Friend by Certificate
Daniel Hack
Charles Temple Nidd
Alfred Rawlings Registery Officer

3 England and Wales, marriage certificate for Charles Robert Nidd and Jannet Turner, married August 31; citing 7b/497/36, September quarter 1895, Nottingham registration district, District Parish Church of St. Saviour sub-district; General Register Office, Southport. Cit. Date: Jun 1998. Cit. ID: MXA 321858, Surety: 4; 1895
marriage at parish church, district parish of St. saviour, county of Nottinghamshire
august 31, 1895,
Charles Robert Nidd,
Jannet turner,
21, 23,
76 bunbury street,
William Henry Nidd,
john turner deceased,
rustic builder,
witness john Henry butter, Helen turner
H. Parker Curate

4 (1861 English and Welsh Census(London, TNA/, 1962) , Web site showing copies of original enumerator schedules) ID: CEN 1861, See image. Repository: LDS, Brampton. Surety: 1. Name not right for wife, but Mary could be "Mary Ellen"
it's the most logical one, seeing as Helen claims Nottingham as her birth place.

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